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Bob Greenyer's avatar

No one understands the pain of gout until they have it. My father used to get it, I never could imagine what he was going through. I had my first attack at 33. I walked into A&E and said I think I have gout, the reason? Unimaginable pain.

I begged them to amputate the foot, I was serious. Over 4 hours if testing, I was given a range of thinks to attempt to relieve the pain. I asked for strong anti-inflamatories, I got basic paracetamol, then diamorphine injections, no pain relief, Nitrous Oxide worked, for about 10 seconds after every huff, I finished the can.

At the end of 4 hours, examinations, x-rays and blood test, they said "We think you have gout". After the Naproxin started to take effect, the pain became bearable.

Yesterday I was picking black cherries which are perfectly ripe now. 2 weeks ago, I made a large jar of compote from some others which I have been having with my breakfasts.

Yesterday I had bacon.

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Ken's avatar

Oh I have felt your pain - literally! When it hit I was ready to get it cut off as well. I had some Celecoxib let over from a recent hip replacement. That reduced the intensity.

I also have IBS, arthritis and damaged sciatica nerves.

I have been prescribed 3 1/2 litres of fluids (which means mostly water) a day. When I feel that joint humming I've fallen behind! Generally flushing seems to dampen some of my aliments with the down side side of running to the toilet every 1-2 hrs. (I also have urinary issues from a radical prostatectomie 18 years ago exacerbating the holding time).

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Aria Veritas's avatar

Could be an existential crisis Dr. C.! :)

Dr. H. combines both of these issues: the soul has an (in this case let's say existential) issue; the body then expresses the issue physically as gout.

Dr. Hamer proved that the way in which issues manifest can be reverse engineered (so succinct the correlation is) to a specific issue in the soul.

CT scans show where the soul's issue hits the brain which in turn relays to a specific organ/region - they all get struck immediately when the soul finds itself in a bind or suffering a shock. Hamer mapped the correlations over many years and it's solid, though it can be a time-consuming art to realise.

So... With the exception of accidents and poisoning (food/water/medicine etc.), illness begins in the soul. https://learninggnm.com/SBS/documents/bones.html#Bones_PCL_Tendons_Gout

That said, I agree with another reader that oxalates (lots in bacon) build up and cause chaos (herb broth is brilliant to calm this), and that castor oil, DMSO and your juice are as good as suggestions come. Earthclinic also suggests apple cider vinegar which looks popular too.

https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/gout.html

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Ginger Sladky's avatar

I think the bacon is no problem if your blood insulin levels aren’t chronically high (hyperinsulinemia) or if you don’t have insulin resistance.

Gout- easy reading:

https://tim-blog-production.mystagingwebsite.com/2009/10/05/gout/

https://ketodietapp.com/Blog/lchf/is-gout-caused-by-red-meat-or-metabolic-syndrome (“Owing to the effects of insulin on uric acid retention, people suffering from gout may want to try a low carb or ketogenic diet. Contrary to conventional advice for this condition, there’s no need to avoid animal protein. If anything, evidence indicates that increasing protein intake could be beneficial for gout — as long as people also cut way back on carbs. Beyond a low carb way of eating, other strategies that improve insulin sensitivity may also help, such as getting adequate physical activity and good quality and quantity of sleep.”)

https://www.dietdoctor.com/low-carb/side-effects/gout

https://www.diagnosisdiet.com/full-article/does-meat-cause-gout

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201812/new-blood-test-helps-predict-and-prevent-bipolar-disorder (under “What Causes High Uric Acid Levels” section)

Additional scientific articles (more recent than those in previous links):

The Interaction Between Dietary Fructose and Gut Microbiota in Hyperuricemia and Gout (2022)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9257186/ (sugar-sweetened soft drinks carry a high risk, while fruit juice not so much; some fruits are less risky than others. HFCS is absolutely terrible.)

Sugar and Dyslipidemia: A Double-Hit, Perfect Storm (2023)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10488931/ (“some authors contend that the issue of whether added sugars and naturally occurring dietary sugar contribute to the epidemic of cardiometabolic disease is still up for debate, arguing that the issue ultimately comes down to calories and obesity [32,33,34,35]. However, a closer look at the funding sources of most of the studies making these assertions reveals that they originate from the food/beverage industry and are biased in that direction. These publications intend to stall the advancement of science by creating uncertainties, in a manner comparable and practically identical to that used by the cigarette industry decades ago [36,37,38]”)

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Neil's avatar

Thank you so much for posting this. I have had bouts of pseudogout and my big toe joint was excruciatingly painful and vulnerable to the slightest touch. I used to scream MIND MY TOE at my kids when they were younger. I had an arthrodesis and it stopped the worst pain. The ‘newest’ painkillers are the gaba ones, they target the nerve signals and work real good.

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Mz's avatar

Michael, I sympathise more than you could imagine.

In 2014 I stubbed my left big toe badly. I countered the excruciation with 'belief' that it would heal over the next few days. It didn't. Apparently it developed scaring of the nerve . .so that it nearly drove me mad over the next year. Medical doctors offered nothing but a quizzical dismissal or unsustainable allopathics.

So the following year I began to reclaim my sanity only by convincing myself that it had marginally improved. Going bare-foot in summer weather was the best remedy, but winter was unsympathetic and even wearing a sock set off the pain. I had to modify my bed so the covers didn't touch it. I'd wear a castor oil filled balloon stretched over my toe inside my Ug-boot - for lubrication and scar softening. Gradually my brain adjusted to my spirit's desire to ignore its persistence, but this was partial and sporadic; and when I got stressed or cold it rebounded.

Eleven years on it's still with me, though only at about 40% of the original . . an indelible part of my consciousness - reminding me how resilient I can be when the need arises. And that resilience has been required innumerably since. I imagine that I'll take it to my grave - and hand it over then with gratitude for its life lesson.

I should add here that the balloon trick filled with cotton-wool and DMSO is a good temporary fix also.

Perhaps I'll try your Black Cherry Juice !

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Christine Gaskill's avatar

Was there anything else you had more of during that trip?

https://sallyknorton.com/painful-gout-and-oxalates/

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Robert P. Esland's avatar

Could it be that someone with a tendency for gout doesn't need more than pork to trigger a response? Pork is bad for many people. In a biblical sense it is not even food. Modern day Western civilisation is based on the letters of the false apostle Paul, who effectively has told believers "don't let anyone tell you what you can and cannot eat". And the church has interpreted this to mean that christians (and the rest of society) can eat pork.

Today hardly anyone seems to question the notion that pork is food. And many mainstream food and health platforms play down the risks.

For Michael: I think it might be easier for your soul to rise above the craving for pork than to rise above pain ;-)

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Peter K. Campbell's avatar

FYI might want to ensure good levels of Vitamin C - see e.g.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19273781/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18464304/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671418/

A bit of Vitamin D wouldn't go astray either, especially over Winter:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8054183/

Also what most people (including many doctors) don't know about Vitamin C is that our bodies chew through it very quickly when above a baseline level, so if you're using it to recover from illness (rather than just prevent scurvy) you're best off dissolving a fair whack of ascorbic acid powder in a litre or so of water, and just taking sips throughout the day (every 20 minutes or so) - that's much more effective than taking one big dose once or twice/day.

With Vitamin D, on the other hand, if you get e.g. a decent amount of Sun exposure (or supplementation) that'll see you right for about a week.

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Neil's avatar

Just a by the way I also get bouts of transgeminal neuralgia when ALL the teeth on one side of my face go into screaming agony.

There was nothing to cure it, just deaden it with ice or tens machine now the gaba works to some extent too.

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