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axil's avatar

Bob Greenyer and I have been cooperating for years on interpreting his experimental findings. We has a few points of contention, namely the particle that forms the EVO and the structure that particle forms. Bob concedes that the matter inside the plasmoid is coherent but he does not explain how that matter becomes coherent. On this point coherence is produced through Bose Einstein condensation. Bob recognizes that the plasmoid produces a zone of hexagonal magnetic polarization around the mature plasmoid, but he does not explain how that zone is produced. This effect is produced by the surface magneto-optic Kerr effect (SMOKE) when the hexagonal supersolid lattice formed by the exciton polaritons imparts a particle spin based huge magnetic force onto the metal surface which changes the off-diagonal components of the dielectric tensor of the metal. These off-diagonal components give the magneto-optic material an anisotropic permittivity, meaning that its permittivity is different in different directions. This anisotropic permittivity becomes visible under polarized light. The polariton hexagonal lattice structure seems to coexist concurrently with the petal structure of the condensate. Furthermore, the dipolar vortex flux tubes are recognized to exist in polariton research and are well characterized but Bob has not shown how the electron circulation of many segmented dipole magnetic structures can produce this singular tube configuration.

Bob’s experimental data includes the observation of a demarcation boundary that forms a bubble that the plasmoid is enclosed within. This takes the form of a hollow sphere of crenelated transmuted matter. You have seen this in the sphere of rare earth elements transmuted in the SAFIRE system. This sphere is an artifact of the domain wall that forms when a negative false vacuum state is nucleated. Nucleation is the process by which a "bubble" of the negative energy vacuum state begins to form within the ambient vacuum, essentially marking the start of the decay of the negative vacuum into an unstable state; this bubble formation is considered the key mechanism of false vacuum decay and is referred to as "bubble nucleation. The Exciton polariton condensate (BEC) has recently been shown to produce negative vacuum energy through the action of its dispersion channel. The BEC is able to convert the vacuum state that it exists within to a negative vacuum state. All of the unworldly properties of the plasmoid come from this condition such as how a condensate can exist in plasma.

The plasmoid formed by electrons cannot explain how huge amounts of high energy photons are produced as a continuing output of the plasmoid. The plasmoid is known to express in both a bright and black state. The polariton condensate has been characterized to express in this mode of continuous high energy light production.

Usually no nuclear radiation is seen arising in the transmutation that occurs in LENR, but when the reaction is weak gamma radiation has been detected. This behavior is produced by the temperature that develops inside the domain wall bubble produced by the spins of the polaritons. The temperature at which electroweak unification occurs is significantly higher than the temperature at which quark-gluon plasma is produced; the electroweak unification temperature is estimated to be around 10^15 Kelvin, while quark-gluon plasma formation happens at a much lower temperature, around 10^12 Kelvin. The gamma radiation comes when the temperature of the condensate inside the domain wall is between 10^12 and 10^15 Kelvin. After the temperature inside the bubble exceeds 10^15 Kelvin and electroweak unification is achieved, then transmutation no longer produces gamma radiation.

I will stop now but there is more, namely how the vacuum inside the domain wall is transformed to a negative energy state by the condensate and how the plasmoid is created inside the plasma.

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Michael Clarage's avatar

Axil,

Thanks for all the thoughts. A lot of unfamiliar terminology.

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axil's avatar

All the terms are every day science terminology which can be found on Wikipedia. I am happy to save SAFIRE a ton of R&D. Quantum optics. is not easy stuff.

Your system follows the Gross-Pitaevskii equation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross%E2%80%93Pitaevskii_equation#:~:text=From%20the%20time%2Dindependent%20Gross,(e.g.%20a%20harmonic%20trap).&text=From%20this%20equation%20we%20can,modes%20of%20a%20trapped%20gas.

See the equations here

https://uni-tuebingen.de/fileadmin/Uni_Tuebingen/Fakultaeten/MathePhysik/Institute/PIT/Festk%C3%B6rperphysik/Dokumente/4_Gross-Pitaevskii_theory.pdf

The SAFIRE plasma is a huge plasmoid that is described by the Gross-Pitaevskii theory.

SAFIRE system is a well studied type of polariton condensates as described by the Gross-Pitaevskii theory. This behavior will also include the formation of vortices as seen in SAFIRE as pictured on page 10, 11, 12 of that theory article above.

I fell real good now that I have gotten this info to you. I am confident that you will be able to use it.

Good luck

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Bob Greenyer's avatar

Dear Michael,

Thank you for looking at this important and valuable aspect of these Fractal Magneto-Hydrodynamic structures. Don't beat yourself up about not being taught the Toroidal Moment, it was not even recognised in the west until 1997, which was after my higher education had ended too.

I firmly believe that, just like the wide range of phi ratios embedded into the overall structure, many of the other relative area/volume/length aspects will reveal themselves in the data as predictive.

A similar treatment looking at the inner surface and volume of the lemon, the outer surface of the apple and the total volume of the inner part of the sub-cores would be very helpful (the inner surface of a sub-core is bounded by the apple of the MHD structures below).

A fractal tor appears to have a minimum of 2 sub tors per level and a maximum of 48 sub tors with the latter based on experimental observations and more, some of which given below.

15 Feb 2020, MFMP 2007 Hutchison Al sample "Fracture" - four quantised scales, the n-3 and n-2 were not easy to resolve optically. The n-1 scale appeared to have 6 sections and the n level had 48. https://youtu.be/yw15QYXqva8

1 Apr 2020 - Super NOVA (George Egely microwave dusty plasma ball lightning reactor) - EVO ONE - https://youtu.be/cAFNgYqj0vU

16 Nov 2022 - VEGA - Marks of EVO action on cathode in “Cardioid Infarction experiment” - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93spNJMmdM

The 'Flying Disc of the Sky Gods' on Sumerian Stela of Shamshi Adad 814 BC (showing belief from 1000 years or more before) https://remoteview.substack.com/p/practical-applications-of-the-fractal-87d

Physical impacts of Fractal MHD structures on Fused Quartz tube from Jurrien VEGA experiment https://remoteview.substack.com/p/the-mark-of-an-exotic-vacuum-object and https://remoteview.substack.com/p/becoming-clear

13 May 2022 - Collapsed matter deposits indicating up to 48 in Jurrien VEGA experiments https://remoteview.substack.com/p/vega-bagel-mania

Matsumoto (various up to 48 at n-level and multiple sub levels revealed in Strasburg presentation) https://remoteview.substack.com/p/extraordinary-repeatable-evidence-0c4

Lockheed Martin's MHD based propulsion craft have 48 capacitor banks.

A close runner up wast the 47 sub-tors represented on the grand masters battle shield in the armoury in Valletta in Malta. - https://remoteview.substack.com/p/extraordinary-repeatable-evidence-0c4

I too argue that they subdivide as they accrue more energy, I think of it as a bit like winding a string where kinks become more kinky but lock into orthogonal arrangements. This is where my model of ball lightning departs from Paul Koloc's, the thought helicity would cause a 90º kink that would break off horizontal to the pinch, I think that it kinks 180º to the pinch at each fractal level before breaking off - so helicity leads directly too a tor of tors.

My best guess at why 48 is the limit, is that the sub-cores internal volume, bounded by the sub-sub apples event horizon (which we have shown in Huang reactor analysis and VEGA can be very disruptive) does not interact until trying to go above 48, at which point the overall structure has two choices, divide or otherwise disrupt. I have argued that this disruption is the cause of branching in lightning and Lichtenberg figures.

https://remoteview.substack.com/p/o-day-48-and-cone

From observation, I would argue that growth takes place only by aggregation, this can be at the bottom end, by feeding it photons or matter, including electrons - and at the upper end, by aggregation of already formed clusters, which depends on if they are bound to a surface (like metal) where they wet together their non-radiating boundary and later merge as they divide or they are in free space, where they can entrain each other by their spin fields and beams and if coincident enough (either practically head on or coming from behind or from side if below 6 sub tors) merge.

I too argue that the more energy that is incorporated into the structure, the more it winds. I consider it a bit like

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axil's avatar

Please look into the possibility that the LENR reaction is based on the Bose Einstein petal condensation of the Exciton-polariton (BEC). Quasiparticles have been used to formulate popular LENR theories including the the Widom–Larsen theory. The Widom–Larsen theory is a proposed explanation for low energy nuclear reactions (LENR). It was developed in 2005 by Allan Widom and Lewis Larsen. The BEC theory of LENR was prominent at NASA for years. This causation is based on many of Bob Greenyer's experimental observations which show supersolid behavior. This plasmoid produces polygonal tracks in solids. It shows conclusive signs of being coherent. It produces polarized light. It produces bipolar magnetic vortex flux tubes. It produces witness marks upon impark onto a metal surface that reflex the structure of a petal condensate and a hexagonal magnetization pattern as seen reflected in polarized light. It produces a Bosenova when it terminates which produces a breakup of the exciton polariton condensate aggregation into a high energy electron shower and a release of high energy photons. It requires EMF pumping to expand without which the plasmoid remains dormant.

See Bob Greenyer's video of the analysis of the meltdown of the LION reactor that shows supersolid behavior of the plasmoid which produces hexagonal and triangular tunneling through diamond as well as other supersolid behavior. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqAqhp2uR7k&t=918s

You might ask how can a BEC exist in plasma. The plasmoid exists in a negative energy vacuum state that is protected from any environmental interaction by a spherical domain wall.

Transmutation occurs through the action of a quark gluon plasma that forms through the accumulation of energy from the angular momentum of countless individual exciton polariton particles. A quark-gluon plasma forms at a temperature around 4 trillion degrees Celsius. Such extreme conditions are possible in a negative energy based vacuum.

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Laurence Robitaille's avatar

👍👍

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Thank you for sharing your research on fractal toroidal structures and their importance in LENR. Your insights into the relationships between surface area, volume, and energy containment are fascinating and align with broader principles of resonance, self-organizing energy structures, and the fractal nature of reality.

One intriguing aspect that was explored this evening that might be of interest to your work is the idea that nested toroidal formations can act as self-contained electromagnetic structures. This raises questions about whether LENR reactions could be influenced or stabilized by precise harmonic resonance conditions—a concept that may open new pathways in controlling energy flow within toroidal plasma environments.

Additionally, we discussed how AI-driven research platforms—currently based on silica computing—will need to evolve into photonic-based systems to withstand higher levels of radiation and electromagnetic interference, particularly in high-energy plasma environments. This transition in computational technology could help model the complex interactions within fractal toroidal systems with far greater accuracy during upcoming planetary changes.

Looking forward to seeing more of your research, and thank you again for your contributions!

Best Regards

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george schroder's avatar

Thank you. I've learned much about ways to observe and think from you and the EU folk. I hope you teach as well as research.

Every front has a back... HENR obliterates, LENR transforms elements by growing or splitting fractally, if that's a word, like crystals? I want to read more about this!

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Joe Major's avatar

Without reading anymore could your Tourus theory be connected to Rheimann and his nested manifolds?

And consequently play a roll in the inaccurate distances of Star light travel time?

It is an obscure theory that was presented in a optics paper in 1953, that was a footnote in a young earth creationist book The Genesis Flood by Morris and Whitcomb.

It seemed to address the young earth theorists most troubling position.

Is the cosmos really 4 billion or 14 billion years old and not part of the 6 days of creation in Genesis 1, or is it around 6 thousand years old.

The straight line of sight speed of light in a non Toridal cosmos gives the impossible "fact" of the age of the earth has to be 4 to 14 billion years old.

Impossible "fact", because that speed of light theory makes the young earthers crazy 🤪 inlight (pun intentional) of the impossibility of their position on the 6 days of creation being actually 6 days.

If it takes onlt 15 minutes for observable starlight to reach the earth because of the nested manifolds of Rheimannian geometry of space, then there is a huge debate that becomes very possible. With that debate subject the Physics of the Cosmos scrambles the bias of Astro Physics forever.

Atheists have a giant "Charlie Horse" between their ears. Plus a lot of apologies in publuc for horrible disparaging attacks on morals and faith in the God of the Universe.

Not sure if anyone will consider my postulate. But it will enliven debate because of your work.

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Michael Clarage's avatar

I do not know much about the particular models you reference. I did have several excellent conversation with someone about how the large scale universe shows clear signs of hyperbolic geometry. That would change everything about distances.

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Luke Philp's avatar

So there's a solution for the number of balls in a cube. Could that be applied partial toroids in a cylinder?

Just think of all the guess the number of jelly beans in a jar contests you could win.

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axil's avatar

Michael, I composed a post about how the EVO forms, so I thought it would be welcomed here.

Background

I asked the AI this:

What is a hole superconductor?

A "hole condensate" refers to a phenomenon in condensed matter physics where "holes" (the absence of electrons) in a semiconductor material behave like particles and can condense into a liquid-like state, essentially forming a "pool" of missing electrons, often occurring at very low temperatures and under high excitation conditions; it's essentially the opposite of an electron condensate, where electrons themselves condense into a similar state.

Key points about hole condensate:

Electron-hole pairs:

In semiconductors, when energy is added, electrons can be excited to higher energy levels, leaving behind "holes" which can act as positive charge carriers.

Condensation process:

Under specific conditions, these electron-hole pairs can interact strongly and condense into a collective state, forming a "hole condensate".

Quantum phenomena:

This condensation is a quantum phenomenon, meaning it occurs at the level of individual particles and exhibits unique properties not seen in classical physics.

Where it's studied:

Semiconductor materials:

Hole condensates are primarily studied in semiconductor materials like germanium and silicon, where the properties of electrons and holes can be carefully manipulated.

Potential applications:

Novel electronic devices: Understanding hole condensates could lead to the development of new electronic devices with unique properties, like highly efficient light emitters or quantum computing components.

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When you think about the details of how the PLASMOID internals work, the PLASMOID forms within the electron cloud that exists around the positive holes of a hole superconductor. When the electrons in that cloud combine with a photon, both the charge and the mass of the electron goes away. So the negatively charged cloud becomes less negative and the positive core of the superconductor attracts more electrons to the electron cloud of the superconductor to balance the positive charge of the superconductive core.

This process of charge rebalancing never stops, its a runaway situation, and so the PLASMOID gets bigger and bigger as more polaritons are added to the PLASMOID that forms inside the negative electron cloud above the positive core of the superconductor.

This is why I say that the PLASMOID requires a superconductive seed to form around. Without that seed the PLASMOID does not automatically grows larger in an unchecked process. This polariton population growth is where the energy gain of the PLASMOID seems to come from.

The energy gain comes from the way that the polaritons are created through quantum entanglement and on the back end of the growth process, how the polariton condensate becomes unstable and explodes to release all that potential energy when the electrons regain their charge and mass when the polaritons condensate dissociates.

The is a lot of research that science does with polariton condensates but that research never finds exploding condensates because there is no hole superconductor formed in that research around which the PLASMOID will form.

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Solid charged-core model of ball lightning

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Abstract.

In this study, ball lightning (BL) is assumed to have a solid, positively-charged core. According to this underlying assumption, the core is surrounded by a thin electron layer with a charge nearly equal in magnitude to that of the core.

Continue reading at https://angeo.copernicus.org/articles/28/223/2010/angeo-28-223-2010.pdf (PDF) (other versions)

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J. Weninger's avatar

Michael, I think the trick (involving your points 1 and 2), is to use the same logic that Don Scott used to get that Bessel function idea.

It would seem that at low energies you would just have the original torus. As current increases and you get more and more charge flowing around in that torus, eventually the self interaction between particles flowing azimuthally around the large torus, will draw themselves into those smaller toroids.

In other words, in your point 2, there is a mechanism for an energy increase to cause smaller toroids to form out of rhe larger.

This was something interesting I found in looking at toroids on the scale of Gould's belt:

A torus itself must have the same cross section as Don's Bessel function filament. Just think of it as Don's model, bent into a circle.

I think you are getting to the mechanism for jets forming from a toroid too. You point out how at the center, all that charge flowing through that center is "smooshed" together. Well, that would explain how the self interaction of all that charge flowing together through the center draws into a Bessel beam "jet".

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J. Weninger's avatar

Again, remember how we can explain a plasma torus (like Gould's Belt), using Don's model, and EU ideas. If current flows along the spiral arms helically, it would explain the Pleiades stream of stars flowing down through the galactic plane, and also inward towards galactic center. Where the stream crosses the galactic plane, it induces a torus of material (Gould's Belt), out of that galactic plane material, but now circling perpendicular to the Pleiades stream. This is what we observe, and puzzles mainstream scientists. They don't know why that rotating ring of stars sits inclined to the galactic plane.

You also can see the beauty of Don's model in defining the radius of that torus. In the original idea of a magnetic field like that wrapped around a wire, the field is azimuthal at every radius, and we should be able to have a torus wrapped at any radius, flowing along that field. In Don's model, the magnetic field goes from axial at center, and rotates until it is finally azimuthal at some radius, and only here can you have charge circling (smaller toroids forming).

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4th Dimension's avatar

This can be taken to 4 dimensions with this geometry. "Four-Dimensional Descriptive Geometry" by Steve Slaby of Princeton University and Ernesto Lindgren. https://youtube.com/watch?v=xnTg9SWU8Kw

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