Dec 15, 2023·edited Dec 15, 2023Liked by Michael Clarage
So how would you leave it all behind. Do you really think you can do it?
I don't think there is any way of getting away from technology....if you did we wouldn't be reading your article today. Can you deal with that. Without technology you wouldn't exist, to us anyway.
This article reminded me of That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis
If Science is really given a free hand it can now take the human race and recondition it; make man a really efficient animal . . . . Man has got to take charge of man. That means, remember, that some men have got to take charge of the rest . . . . You and I want to be the people who do the taking charge, not the ones who are taken charge of.....
Here's where I agree: a "person’s spirit can be developed - this would cause a change in the biochemistry & bioelectricity."
Here's where I disagree: "Some level of the cosmos has agency to influence the mass of humanity into seeking ever-greater fusion with technology."
Why can't the agency come from mankind itself? We are unconscious. We mistake mentation, our minds, with consciousness, something we don't know anything about. Conscious men would not destroy themselves and each other in wars or even quarrels. We can see our automaticity in AI technology: it's just an extension of our usual waking selves: automatic mentation (can anyone control his thoughts?), automatic feelings (can anyone control his feelings?), responding to outside stimuli and internal repetitions, without the participation of any higher part of ourselves. No higher part participates because no higher part exists. It once did, but it has been buried in our subconsciousness.
I think we have the potential for "a truly magical union between spirit & matter." But that takes work.
I don't think abstaining from the technological world is enough to create that magical union. But I wouldn't want to stop you from experimenting.
I am thinking along the lines that planets influence humanity. Mars, whose influence is passionate action, is converted by us miss-wired humans as a reason to make war. Would wars happen without the influence (agency) of Mars? I think not. Are humans to blame for how they receive this influence? Definitely.
The ladder of creation is tightly connected.
One could even argue that Mars' influence acts upon humanity as a whole, rather than upon an individual person. The agency of a planet upon the mass of humanity is exactly what I am trying to describe.
Where’s the reciprocal action in that? If Mars or other planets influence mankind on Earth, how do men/mankind/Earth influence them?
Elsewhere you’ve described a harmonious reciprocal maintenance in the universe that takes place all the time, from higher levels to lower levels and back again. Does that happen in what you’re describing with planets or principalities?
Good point. Maybe during those wars the planets experience us as a bad smell wafting through the solar system. At the planets' timescale would last a few of their minutes - though for us is several years.
Of course there could be more dangerous consequences. Earth churning out war when stimulated could be analogous to a gland in the human body churning out the wrong hormone under stress, which can wreak havoc in the system, especially when that response is chronic.
For all we know the body of the solar system could be heading to adrenal fatigue since humanity has been waging war every time there is a little stress between the planets.
And yet, even without the passion of Mars, some humans would still wage war, and there would still be the trickery of Mercury in the evening to deal with.
I've just come across this article and I thought I'd share this with you.
I'm a professional stone cutter. I've always resented the use of electrical tools in my trade - I much prefer hand tools. But of course, if money is to be made, one has to be efficient, plus it's much less taxing to use machines - actually there are now CNC machines that require no human intervention whatsoever. So my nagging question was, are we better off not exhausting ourselves banging away on stones? I thought I had found an answer: it's okay as long as we find something else, preferably creative, to do.
Then I recently chatted with a young Russian lady, and what she told me struck me like lightning. Her grandfather was a stone cutter, too, which is a rare enough occurence. And then she said "When I walk the city, I see his soul".
It resonates in the back of my mind when I'm working now.
This using of machines has been a huge force in the human story. I get confused on it. Of course the Russian lady can see her grandfather's soul in the city, because he was trained to put his vital energy into his hands and into the stone. CNC ain't never gonna give that effect. And here with humans RUSHING towards genetic engineering & nanobot medicine. Merging. Is it all the downfall, and are we heading towards ants & bees Or is it just another playing field for the soul?
My wife and I share your concern about human souls being trapped in this world being the endgame. While it might just be their God complex/fear of death at work, I'm not even sure those sorry idiots are doing it on purpose - like, despite their purportedly satanist agenda, they might even not be aware of who they're really working for. Just a thought.
You have rapidly become one of my favorite modern philosophers. You state in very clear language thoughts and feelings that I've had most of my life, since a very powerful spiritual experience occurred in my mid-20's. I look forward to your every post.
Coincidentally, I was thinking along the same lines yesterday. That individual organisms don't necessarily have any idea of the larger project/s they are working on or a part of.
So how would you leave it all behind. Do you really think you can do it?
I don't think there is any way of getting away from technology....if you did we wouldn't be reading your article today. Can you deal with that. Without technology you wouldn't exist, to us anyway.
This article reminded me of That Hideous Strength by C.S. Lewis
If Science is really given a free hand it can now take the human race and recondition it; make man a really efficient animal . . . . Man has got to take charge of man. That means, remember, that some men have got to take charge of the rest . . . . You and I want to be the people who do the taking charge, not the ones who are taken charge of.....
Here's where I agree: a "person’s spirit can be developed - this would cause a change in the biochemistry & bioelectricity."
Here's where I disagree: "Some level of the cosmos has agency to influence the mass of humanity into seeking ever-greater fusion with technology."
Why can't the agency come from mankind itself? We are unconscious. We mistake mentation, our minds, with consciousness, something we don't know anything about. Conscious men would not destroy themselves and each other in wars or even quarrels. We can see our automaticity in AI technology: it's just an extension of our usual waking selves: automatic mentation (can anyone control his thoughts?), automatic feelings (can anyone control his feelings?), responding to outside stimuli and internal repetitions, without the participation of any higher part of ourselves. No higher part participates because no higher part exists. It once did, but it has been buried in our subconsciousness.
I think we have the potential for "a truly magical union between spirit & matter." But that takes work.
I don't think abstaining from the technological world is enough to create that magical union. But I wouldn't want to stop you from experimenting.
I am thinking along the lines that planets influence humanity. Mars, whose influence is passionate action, is converted by us miss-wired humans as a reason to make war. Would wars happen without the influence (agency) of Mars? I think not. Are humans to blame for how they receive this influence? Definitely.
The ladder of creation is tightly connected.
One could even argue that Mars' influence acts upon humanity as a whole, rather than upon an individual person. The agency of a planet upon the mass of humanity is exactly what I am trying to describe.
Where’s the reciprocal action in that? If Mars or other planets influence mankind on Earth, how do men/mankind/Earth influence them?
Elsewhere you’ve described a harmonious reciprocal maintenance in the universe that takes place all the time, from higher levels to lower levels and back again. Does that happen in what you’re describing with planets or principalities?
Good point. Maybe during those wars the planets experience us as a bad smell wafting through the solar system. At the planets' timescale would last a few of their minutes - though for us is several years.
Of course there could be more dangerous consequences. Earth churning out war when stimulated could be analogous to a gland in the human body churning out the wrong hormone under stress, which can wreak havoc in the system, especially when that response is chronic.
For all we know the body of the solar system could be heading to adrenal fatigue since humanity has been waging war every time there is a little stress between the planets.
And yet, even without the passion of Mars, some humans would still wage war, and there would still be the trickery of Mercury in the evening to deal with.
I've just come across this article and I thought I'd share this with you.
I'm a professional stone cutter. I've always resented the use of electrical tools in my trade - I much prefer hand tools. But of course, if money is to be made, one has to be efficient, plus it's much less taxing to use machines - actually there are now CNC machines that require no human intervention whatsoever. So my nagging question was, are we better off not exhausting ourselves banging away on stones? I thought I had found an answer: it's okay as long as we find something else, preferably creative, to do.
Then I recently chatted with a young Russian lady, and what she told me struck me like lightning. Her grandfather was a stone cutter, too, which is a rare enough occurence. And then she said "When I walk the city, I see his soul".
It resonates in the back of my mind when I'm working now.
This using of machines has been a huge force in the human story. I get confused on it. Of course the Russian lady can see her grandfather's soul in the city, because he was trained to put his vital energy into his hands and into the stone. CNC ain't never gonna give that effect. And here with humans RUSHING towards genetic engineering & nanobot medicine. Merging. Is it all the downfall, and are we heading towards ants & bees Or is it just another playing field for the soul?
My wife and I share your concern about human souls being trapped in this world being the endgame. While it might just be their God complex/fear of death at work, I'm not even sure those sorry idiots are doing it on purpose - like, despite their purportedly satanist agenda, they might even not be aware of who they're really working for. Just a thought.
You meant "spurred" not "spurned."
David, editor
You have rapidly become one of my favorite modern philosophers. You state in very clear language thoughts and feelings that I've had most of my life, since a very powerful spiritual experience occurred in my mid-20's. I look forward to your every post.
Coincidentally, I was thinking along the same lines yesterday. That individual organisms don't necessarily have any idea of the larger project/s they are working on or a part of.